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Postby Syzygies » Sep 28th, '09, 06:47

txpoker wrote:especially since I want to figure out the pizza thing.

Bingo! One can make pizza in one of those kid's plastic ovens from the 1960's that use a 40 watt light bulb. But real outdoor pizza ovens are serious beasts.

The KK is just big enough to make great pizza, and Dennis is the only manufacturer I'd trust to make a Kamado of this scale. There are a number of inexpensive Kamado manufacturers that make smaller cookers, but they all look far less flexible to me. A microwave isn't an oven, and "Low & Slow" and "grilling" together are a small part of the big picture: Cook anything you want, outside, better than you could inside.
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is there really a difference

Postby jnoble » Aug 9th, '10, 14:17

HI Txpoker. Good question. Does the food taste better whether cooked on a KK or another ceramic?

I"m responding, not because I know, but because I suspect that the answer is that, this isn't the point.

Sounds crazy, but we are buying a tool. A cheap saw will still cut wood, but the handle won't feel exactly rigtht in your hand and the blade will rust more easily.

Same with this. I have been researching ceramic cookers for a long time. Last week I bought a Primo Junior.

These ceramic cookers are much more expensive than the steel weber charcoal kettles that we usually cook on.

So you want to know that you have a well made tool.

I am sure the Primo will make amazing food. But the fit and finish was not right, it did not feel secure on its footing, and I realized that I would have to replace the felt gasket and the cheap thermometer.

It just didn't make me happy.

So I called the dealership today and I am paying a truck return fee, and will be ordering one of these crazy expensive KK 23 inchers.

Yowza.

Never try to save money on your tools man. We can save money when the paper towels go on sale.

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Re: is there really a difference

Postby Cook_Shack » Aug 9th, '10, 16:42

jnoble wrote:
Never try to save money on your tools man. We can save money when the paper towels go on sale.

John Noble


Well said John Noble.
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Postby Hephaestus » Aug 9th, '10, 16:51

Hi jnoble,

Take it from somebody who already owns one of the other ceramic cookers. You did the right thing by returning the Primo. There is no comparison when it comes to the simplicity of use the control of the temperature etc. between the two cookers. You will be very happy
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Re: is there really a difference

Postby Syzygies » Aug 9th, '10, 19:45

jnoble wrote:Does the food taste better whether cooked on a KK or another ceramic?

I came from a Kamado #7 that I drove into the ground (shed its tiles, cracked, but lots of good cooking) over five years. I figured, the Komodo Kamado, much nicer fit & finish, lasts many times longer, but similar enough shape and size that I could jump in with no learning curve.

I was wrong. Aesthetics aside, a fundamental difference in how the KK cooks comes from the fact that it is both very tight and very well insulated. One can get to and hold a temperature quicker, with less fuel. Early on, I made plenty of mistakes, trying to drive the KK as if it were a K7. But one learns.

I am of the opinion that traditional low & slow brisket is the single hardest entry in the barbecue repertoire. Just saying this opens up a can of worms, for this approach to brisket is easy on a ceramic cooker, if nearly impossible on an offset firebox cooker. And one school here favors quick, higher heat briskets involving foiling. The intensity of the debate supports my belief (shared by many others) that brisket responds to the synergy of skill and equipment.

Nevertheless, brisket made this way comes out better in a KK than it ever did in a K7. I can only speculate why: Tight, well-insulated, so less airflow. Does this dry the meat less? I can just imagine Harold McGee lecturing me that this has nothing to do with meat drying out, and if it did, a water pan would correct any differences in cooker tightness.

Perhaps. My intuition likes a very slow airflow. No one who can tell armagnac from cognac from moonshine would dispute that distillation is very sensitive to every variable. My hunch, supported by experience, is that so is barbecue.

Of course, you buy a KK because you want it.
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